“Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away and you have their shoes.” (Jack Handey)
One of the main reasons for setting up this website was to share information – so I very much appreciate the comments people write in with. A good example of this is the response to the video I did on jungle boots sometime ago and the comments drew my attention to some new ideas for possible footwear.
So the video below covers some of these suggestions and reviews the ones I’ve been trying out since.
While I was making the video I got to thinking about whether there is any real difference between footwear advice for the jungle vs, say, advice for people trekking in the US or Europe. Certainly there is a lot of overlap, but there are some specifics about the jungle trekking that do apply:
1) Jungles are warm – so keeping your feet warm (and dry) is not as critical as it would be in, say, sub-zero temperatures.
2) Jungles are humid – humidity degrades all sorts of equipment and can cause the glue to perish between the shoes and its sole.
3) Jungles are wet – often your feet are going to be wet from morning to night, either because of rain or because you are wading through rivers.
4) Plants in the jungle often have vicious defense systems – rattans and bamboo can rip weaker gear to shreds, a thorn from, say, a Nibong tree can easily pierce the sole of a soft rubber shoe and enter your foot.
5) There are things that bite – leeches, ticks, snakes and centipedes are all most likely to bite you on the foot or lower leg.
6) Often the terrain is muddy and slippy (because of all the rain and fact that rainforests ‘dry-out’ slowly) – needing traction on mud.
7) Often you will be walking alongside, wading in or crossing rivers. The path of least resistance through the jungle is often along rivers but they are potentially dangerous places to walk – slippy moss covered boulders, wet tree trunks used as bridges can both send you flying. This type of terrain requires footwear with traction on slippy smooth surfaces.
The last two points are, unfortunately, bad news for footwear choice as the type of grip that works well in mud is different from that which works well on slippy smooth surfaces.
I have tried a few ways to get round this – even crampons to grip on tree trunks used as bridges, or simply going across in my socks. Neither of these are ideal solutions and, as anyone who has tried it will know, crossing rivers barefoot is not a good idea unless your feet are super toughened up. Why? Simply because river beds have the the odd sharp stone or branch that will hurt your feet and thus make you less stable: you will be ‘feeling’ for comfortable spots to place your feet, rather than treading confidently (which you can do in boots).
Of course, the obvious solution to this problem is to take two pairs of shoes – one for trekking on mud, the other for river crossings. I usually carry a pair of Crocs for the evenings, but these are not really designed for river crossings and to bring along yet another pair of shoes as well is getting a bit ridiculous.
Recently I came across an interesting product that may provide the answer. Developed by a Spanish Company called Onemoment, they are inspired by the Amazonian practice of painting latex on your feet when in the jungle – basically a rubber shoe just 1mm thick (but 2mm for the sole) they are, apparently, breathable and mold to your feet. I’ve ordered a pair to test out and will let you know how they perform.
Another product I came across recently was the barefoot type shoe – I was trekking with someone using these in the jungle some weeks back and he seemed to get along fine with them. I haven’t tried them myself so can’t really comment but, if you are interested in checking them out, here’s a link to the Vibram fivefinger trek shoe.
For me, the Altbergs and the Inov8 Mud Claw are my two favourites for the moment and I’ll switch between them depending on the type of trip I’m going on. The Altbergs have been well tested over time, the inov8’s not so much (so I can’t testify to how well they’ll hold up over time). The OTB Jungle Boots offer a compromise between the Altbergs and the inov8s – they are a ‘light’ version of the Altberg but offer more ankle protection that the inov8s. I haven’t used them myself but know someone who has and he liked them a lot.
Like any piece of kit for trekking the right solution for you may well be different for me – that’s just the way life is – so the important thing to do is to test footwear before you go on a long trek and find something that you are comfortable with….but hopefully this video will give you some ideas of what to bear in mind when making your selection.
Received my One Moment shoes after seeing your article. Like you bought it as a curiosity to compare against my Five Finger.
Am not impressed with it in the sense don’t think it is sensible to wear it to the wild. Like how my friend put it, it is like donning a condom on the feet. The sole I don’t think is suitable for jungle wear. Five Finger or kampung adidas fair better in this area where Five Finger’s sole is made from Vibram and kampung adidas is a thicker rubbery sole which offers more protection. One Moment is just like what they claimed – 2mm piece of plastic.
The grip is good on tiles, hence I think it will probably more suited for boating or normal wear in the city. Definitely not for the wild jungle or even rocky terrain in my opinion. Even when it comes for boating, it is because of the grip I mentioned. However the downside is the whole shoes are made of plastic, hence water retention. No drainage for water to flow out.
For normal hikes I think I would still prefer my Five Finger or kampung adidas. For longer and more rocky terrain, I think I will stick to my timberland which offers ankle support. Have retired my Malaysian army boots (the one with green canvas, not the leather type) which I wore during the teens. Love it, but didn’t make the effort to source for one ever since because shy away from camping and hiking for couple of years after high school.
Anyway, nice review done!
Hi Boon,
Many thanks for the review of the Onemoment shoes, it is really very helpful – the ones I ordered arrived a few days ago and I have to say that your comments reflect my own impressions of these shoes exactly.
I was thinking of using them as camp shoes (and for crossing rivers on the odd slippery tree trunk) but I don’t really like the feel of them that much. As you say they feel very plasticky and your feet don’t feel like they can really breathe and would get sweaty quickly, no drainage holes mean they aren’t going to be too good in water but they would, at least, keep your feet dry at camp.
I liked the fact that they are smaller and lighter than the Crocs that I normally use as camp shoes but, to be honest, I think I’ll still stick with the Crocs as they are really comfortable after a long days trek and give your feet the opportunity to dry out properly.
Anyway, many thanks for the review and I’m sure it will help others to decide whether or not to try them out too.
Cheers!
Paul
Footwear is tough. Here on O’ahu I have several forms I use for various terrain but I’ve recently shed my beloved Welco jungle boots with Panama sole in favor of spiked tabis which provide excellent traction on muddy slopes, stream beds, and rock. They’re also lighter! I can’t remember the brand name off hand but these are the pair I purchased.
http://cdn.stripersonline.com/d/d0/d0adf1f9_vbattach69880.jpg
Aloha,
XJ
Hi XJ,
Many thanks for the comment and I took a look at the photo of the spiked tabis you linked. Fascinating! – I’ve never seen those before and they look just the thing for messing around on rivers. I’ll see if I can order some from somewhere and test them out.
Many thanks.
Cheers!
Paul
The Division of Forestry and Dept. of Land and Natural Resources use them exclusively here. Many of them add an insole for extra cushion on longer trails and some wear socks. I will try and find you a brand name / URL for them. They’re manufactured in China for a Japanese company. I just did about 15 miles in mine yesterday through the muddy Ko’olau summit and they performed fabulously.
Hi XJ,
Thanks for the update – very novel looking shoes indeed and look like they have great mud grip.
Cheers!
Paul
Hi Paul,
Liking the revisit to the footwear again. I have yet to wear my adidas kampungs in anger yet but hope to be going on a trek next month with some mates. But being Australia and everything here is clean and trimmed back so people do not hurt them selves in the bush I doubt it will be anything like our last trip out to the jungle (like the shots of me in the river by the way). I have a pair of vibram five finger KSO shoes and even though they are nice to wear around the house I would nt recomend them for the field. I went out for a 3km walk in our local bush land looking for Kangaroos yesterday and I have blisters on the soles of my feet from them. You cant wear them with normal socks so have to get the toe socks, which I did not. I also have orderded a pair of the O1M shoes just to see what they are like for around camp after a walk. But in the end I will still use my Alt Bergs I had no blisters from them they dried in a day once back and after treating the leather to some polish and beeswax they have come up a treat. I know it is a compromise every time but as you said you have to look after your feet when in the field.
PS if you want the five fingers I will send them over for you they are UK size 10 that will save you some money. Just e mail me your address.
Lee
Hi Lee,
Great to hear from you and thanks for the comment – that’s very interesting that the fivefinger shoes gave you blisters and certainly a problem if you’re out in the field on a long trip!
I’m really looking forward to trying out the onemoment shoes and thinking of them as a replacement for my Crocs round camp – hope they live up to my expectations!
..and ‘yes’ I know exactly what you mean about the Altbergs – a compromise, but not that bad a compromise at the end of the day! The OTB junglelites are an alternative but other than seeing them when JC was using them on the trip I don’t know how well they perform over time…they’re certainly lighter than the Altbergs but the grip issue will be more-or-less the same.
I’d love to try out the fivefingers if you’re happy to send them over – I’ll try and think up something to trade for them and email you.
Cheers!
Paul
Hi Paul,
I was using the Vibram Five Fingers (VFFs) during the trips to Perting Falls. The VFFs (mine was the ‘KSO Treksport’ model) were in their element while river crossing, balancing on tree trunks and scrambling up or down slopes and rocks, but on the trail itself I paid attention to where I was placing my feet, especially on terrain that looked like they might have thorns or bamboo shards as my feet felt quite vulnerable since the layer of rubber separating feet from whatever was on the ground was only millimeters thick.
Here’s my summary of the things, with the hope that you or anyone reading this and contemplating a pair of VFFs for jungle (or any other) use might find it useful:
PROS: extremely lightweight; water drains very quickly; dries fast; extra stability over uneven or undulating terrain (river crossings, scrambling up or down steep terrain) due to the fact that your toes can splay and your feet adapt to the terrain; encourages “careful” feet.
CONS: the feet feel vulnerable (especially in undergrowth where you can’t see your feet); not much protection against trail debris especially on the top and sides; inability to wear leech socks; no ankle support; odd looks and stares from others…
NOTES: unable to tell long term durability, mine have held up so far (maybe 10 treks) but the material on top of the shoe looks vulnerable to snagging on thorns and sharp rocks – I haven’t managed to get it snagged yet, though. Also, the mesh fabric on the top isn’t impervious to leeches; some of the smaller suckers go right through the holes!
On a footwear-related note, I am on the verge of ordering a pair of these for use on longer and harder treks: http://www.magnumboots.com/us/spider-8-1-hydro-hpi-black.html. I figure they’d be great for our jungles since they’re “made to get wet” and quick draining. Any thoughts?
Thanks for the website!
Best regards,
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
Great to hear from you and, after that trip to Perting, I wished I’d asked you a few more questions about your fivefinger shoes….but you have answered them all in your comment and it is great to have a personal testimony from someone who has actually used these shoes in the jungle, so many thanks.
The pros and cons you list sum up the situation very well – I think also the point you make about them making you step more carefully is a good one indeed. I find a similar situation using almost any lightweight equipment – i.e. that you have to be more careful with it as it isn’t as robust – the upside, of course, is that it weighs less.
Also, I hadn’t considered the fact that leech socks can’t be worn with these shoes. I guess you could make some to fit, but that could be quite difficult. A good point.
I’ve heard about Magnum boots (some mixed reviews) but I have never tried them myself – it’s a bit of a problem when doing this sort of review in that I don’t have access to all the different shoes so can only really review those I’ve used myself (which is why your comments about the fivefinger shoes are so much appreciated).
Thanks again for the review.
Cheers!
Paul
Paul,
Glad to see you like the mudclaws, to update on the durability; wearing the same pair of innov-8 s for nearly eight months of this year working in the field in Madagascar I’ve yet to have a problem with the soles coming unstuck. Four months of off the chart humidity and in wet, boggy land quite a bit, tots of tannins etc, followed by dry hot (upper 30’s), sandy, corrosive environments they’ve come out slightly tattered but still in one piece.
Moved onto a pair of roclite 295’s from the same manufacturer as they have a slightly wider footbed and seem to drain better. The tread is not as aggressive though, slightly better on wet rock etc; but still decent for muck/clay.
Build quality is very impressive but there is the drainage issue as you mentioned in your video. been trying to fing plastic mesh grommit/eyelets like on jungle boots to put on the instep but with little success as yet.
Like you say there is no ideal-maybe a roclite upper with mudclaw outsole with drainage grommets could just be it.
Also, a great place for resoling fell shoes, but in the uk, is lancashiresportsrepairs.co.uk , quality workmanship and materials (i’m not affiliated btw)
keep up the good work,
g
Hi GP,
Many thanks for the comment and for the original suggestion to try out the mudclaws – it was good advice indeed.
Also appreciate you giving an update on how the mudclaws have stood the test of time – it has given me a bit more confidence in them and I’ll try them on a longer trek.
Since I did the video I managed to find someone who could put in drain holes (basically using the machine he has has for putting in shoelace eyelets) so I’ll be testing that out soon to see how well they shed water. Also, got the soles stitched on although the thread runs beneath the sole so might not last too long.
Once again, thanks for the tip and update.
Cheers!
Paul
Paul,
You’re more than welcome, I’ve taken a fair few tips from you this last while. Nice to ne able to return the favour. Good idea on the shoelace eyelets also
I neglected to mention that to complete this footwear system a pair of debris gaiters are really necessary to keep, well, debris out of your shoe and stave off blisters etc.
I’ve found that lycra sewn to boxershort waistband works really well, inov-8 make some but they look like they soak a lot of water and the undersole cord gets snagged on ones i’ve made with that system. Dirtygirl gaiters are an US based company that make some that are attached with velcro and a lace hook that I basically copied and they work a treat, boot like protection against sand & debris but light as hell.
I figure if i was in Maylaysia or somewhere leechy that these could be built onto leech socks, either way they are much lighter than traditional gaiters,
g
Hi GP,
Thanks for the follow up and good point you make about gaiters – I have seen the lighter ones that you are talking about and might try to pick up a pair next time I am in the UK. For the moment I am using traditional, knee-length gaiters as, although they are heavier, they’re good for bashing through the undergrowth and, hopefully (!), provide some protection from snake bites.
I’ll be trying out the inov-8s with the drain holes in next week and see how well they shed the water – will let you know.
Thanks again for the tips.
Cheers!
Paul
Below is a comment from Steve in Peru – my server was playing up and he couldn’t post it directly so emailed me instead and I’m posting it for him (if anyone else has this problem please let me know)
Hi Paul,
I’ve spent a lot of time in the jungles around Iquitos, Peru over the last 20 years. I haven’t done a lot of hardcore roughing it usually because I spend time with friends who live there. Over the years I’ve sorted out my clothing to pretty much what you recommend in the video but I hadn’t ever really been satisfied with my boots. As soon as I can find some Alt-Bergs here in the USA I’ll give them a try.
The people of the Amazon and their cultures really just amaze me. While I would like to see other jungles around the world I’ve developed such relationships in Peru that I doubt I’ll travel elsewhere. I have 2 adopted sons from the jungle so when we can afford to travel it’s usually to head back home for awhile. It’s great to read about other folks and their jungle loves. Your site is Great!
Take care, Steve
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The larger crocodilians are perversely unable to appreciate the special nature of man and consequently eat him from time to time.
Archie Carr 1940
Hello, just want to mention about fivefinger you mentioned. I have been wearing mine (Treksports) for over a year on a daily basis, office, running, gym, trekking etc, and it has only just given out on me, a hole worn out on the 2nd toe after some mountain treks Hokkaido. I don’t even notice it if not for the seepage of water from the ground! I would also like to reiterate some of the comments about the non-protective elements of the fivefinger shoes. It is especially punishing when going downslope, especially a rocky or gravelly area. On a recent hike on mt Kinabalu, I was overloaded with 20kg of gear, the fivefingers were definitely a bad choice. The soles do not protect much from impact and the toes are prone to being stubbed especially when tired or overloaded. There were time I feared breaking a toe going downhill. On a whole, I am satisfied with my fivefinger and will reaquired a next pair
Hi Evil Fungi,
Many thanks for the comment – it is really valuable to get a review of these shoes from someone who has really tested them so thoroughly.
I think the points you make about going downhill and using these shoes with heavy loads is very important – lightweight shoes are always going to perform better with light loads on our backs and aren’t really suitable for heavy load carrying.
A friend of mine is sending me a pair over and I’m looking forward to trying them out.
Thanks again for the review.
Cheers!
Paul
Hi Paul,
I just read this and and thought you would like it….It is an interesting article re: American jungle boot history and the new OTB jungle boot.
I think the new version looks good.
http://soldiersystems.net/2013/09/03/an-abbreviated-history-of-the-jungle-boot/
The comments are ….insightful 🙂
take care,
Rob
Hi Rob,
Many thanks for sending over such an interesting link – a great article on the history of the jungle boot and clearly well-informed. As you say, the comments below the article are well worth reading and I agree with the person who mentions the discomfort the high heel of these boots can cause if trekking on flat roads.
Thanks agina,
Cheers!
Paul
and here the new Rocky’s Jungle boots…
What do you think ?
http://www.strikehold.net/2013/07/09/rockys-s2v-jungle-boot-now-available/
rob
Hi Rob,
Interesting! I think that when Stuart Goring was over here last month he was testing out a pair of these (but I could be wrong). They’ve gone a different way with the tread pattern which is interesting and I’d be curious to see how they perform in mud. I’ll try and get in touch with Stuart and check whether these are the boots he was using or not and, if so, what he thinks of them.
Cheers!
Paul
Hi Paul,
I love your videos and website.
Very few Adventure/survival/outdoor ‘specialists’ in this region.
I am from Singapore and have done some treking in Taman Negara and Ipoh.
Just wanted to get your input on having the shoes as opposed to the boots when getting stuck in deep mud.
Even with boots on it can get difficult to lift your legs especially when the whole boot is fully submerged. I would be conserned about loosing the shoe never to be seen again.
Regards
Idris
Hi Idris,
Many thanks for the comment and support – much appreciated. I know exactly what you mean about losing shoes in the mud and it’s something that happens more with the kampung adidas shoes that ‘proper’ boots. Certainly jungle boots laced reasonably tight will not get sucked off by the mud. The problem with boots and mud is that they do get caked in the stuff and become vey heavy. When it has happened to me (wearing Kampung Adidas) I simply carry them until across the muddy section and then put them back on
Footwear is a difficult one to advise on as a lot is down to personal preference and what you are used to – but the jungle boots are probably the best all rounders even though they have a few downsides as well.
Hope that help and thanks again for the comment,
Cheers!
Paul
Sounds like a great guy to sit down at a bar with and listen to the intense experience!
I’m not much of a hiker but this blog gets me motivated to do something about the tracking boots I have.
Great blog Junglecrafter. Excellent information and presentations.
Hi Aegidioz,
Many thanks for the comment and support – much appreciated. Good luck with the search for new boots!
Cheers!
Paul
Great video Paul! I’m still searching for the “perfect boots” as well.
I’ve got a pair of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Wellco-Mens-Imported-Jungle-Combat/dp/B0028QFJ9G/ref=pd_sbs_shoe_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0VWP67VFWD8148MVXZ3H
and just thought I’d share my thoughts on them.
Pros:
– The panama soles combined with super soft rubber really are a great compromise. In face on long, muddy, uphill hikes I find them significantly better than more aggressive tread patterns as they seem to shed sticky mud the best! The softness of the rubber means they are not too bad on wet rocks. Of course I’ve found wet smart wool socks stick better but I’ve also found I can’t even walk a single mile in smart wool socks without my heel making a hole! 🙂
– Drainage holes work great! Coming out of the river each step almost seems to squirt the water out.
– Dry fairly fast.
– Speed lace system was a pleasant shock to me. As an American living in Malaysia I sometimes get frustrated with the always having to take shoes off in homes and even some offices. (Recently a local friend helping me move would try to take shoes on an off at the door of my old house while trying to balance 1/2 a refridgerator despite me telling him – ITS OK! LEAVE ‘EM ON!) I was afraid these tall boots would be a nightmare but they are really fast! As fast as tennis shoes and much faster than my newer, shorter 5.11 zip boots.
– They are light weight. I was helping in the flood zones of Temerloh last month and spent quite a bit of time swimming in them, dragging boats thru 2’ of water, swimming again, walking again etc. My favorite boots to swim in!
Con’s:
– 1 design issue – the high sole also seems narrow and its very easy to roll your foot, twist your ankle.
– The quality seems really bad! Other than the design flaw I mentioned above I thought the DESIGN was genius and the quality junk. Perhaps a cheap knock off company copied a great design of a great boot.
Inside of the boot started falling apart after a few days wearing them.
HI Ricky,
Many thanks for the in depth look at the Wellco boots – very interesting and I’m sure it will be a big help to other people looking for boots for the jungle.
I think the fact that they are lightweight is a big plus but that could of course translate into less heavy duty material etc. Even though it’s a downside if the boots don’t last that long it’s perhaps not such a big issue with jungle boots. The reason i say that is that the soft rubber soles wear down quite fast and the boots will then lose their grip – this is inevitable with soft rubber and the alternative (i.e a harder polymer like Vibram) is useless on wet rocks. So, as long as your boots hold together for a year of so that’s possbily all the life you’ll get out of the soles anyway (depending on how much trekking you’re doing of course).
Good for you that you went to help out with the flooding victims – I’m sure it was very much appreciated and I wish I could have done more myself.
Also, I agree about the wool socks wearing down fast – I have lots of holey socks in my drawer! – but I still wouldn’t use anything else.
Thanks again,
Cheers!
Paul